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		<title>Comment on Demean by Worth: To Dignify &#38; Demean &#171; ARC Studio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Worth: To Dignify &#38; Demean &#171; ARC Studio</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] will to have a criterion of judgment for our collective endeavor based on half-truths. This is “demeaning” Affect, practice and governance: Demeaned: how can we be governed like this? It prevents truth, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Health and the question of flourishing by Fearnley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fearnley</dc:creator>
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		<description>From Lyle in China: 

I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but
a relation between knowledge production and interventions
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,
including both &#039;scientists&#039; and others).  In conversations with
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.

For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.
Canguilhem&#039;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish
&#039;health&#039; from the &#039;normalized population&#039;.  He refuses to grant
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely
biological one, but rather a difference between two different
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and
self-recognition.

In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean
&#039;guard life&#039;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.

In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the
health of the people.

Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#039;guarding life&#039;, might enable
a similar move as Foucault&#039;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion
of soteria, &#039;salvation, protecting life&#039;.  The difference between
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of
life, health, disease and death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Lyle in China: </p>
<p>I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I<br />
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work<br />
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What<br />
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices<br />
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean<br />
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop<br />
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but<br />
a relation between knowledge production and interventions<br />
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,<br />
including both &#8216;scientists&#8217; and others).  In conversations with<br />
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my<br />
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.</p>
<p>For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept<br />
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.<br />
Canguilhem&#8217;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish<br />
&#8216;health&#8217; from the &#8216;normalized population&#8217;.  He refuses to grant<br />
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for<br />
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does<br />
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.<br />
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to<br />
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe<br />
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a<br />
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts<br />
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every<br />
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction<br />
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely<br />
biological one, but rather a difference between two different<br />
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and<br />
self-recognition.</p>
<p>In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth<br />
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of<br />
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a<br />
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The<br />
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean<br />
&#8216;guard life&#8217;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng<br />
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or<br />
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,<br />
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.</p>
<p>In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study<br />
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan<br />
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the<br />
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health<br />
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,<br />
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the<br />
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern<br />
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions<br />
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying<br />
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the<br />
health of the people.</p>
<p>Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#8216;guarding life&#8217;, might enable<br />
a similar move as Foucault&#8217;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion<br />
of soteria, &#8216;salvation, protecting life&#8217;.  The difference between<br />
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for<br />
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of<br />
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health<br />
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of<br />
life, health, disease and death.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8230;The Clock is Ticking by Roger Brent</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/11/the-clock-is-ticking/comment-page-1/#comment-186362</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I get for not working through these blogs....

What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#039;s fair to think of this as
a kind of &quot;average commission&quot; in a case where few or none
of its members understand the substance of the subject
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key
remit like the &quot;Pitchblende commission&quot;,
or the &quot;Radio-activity commission&quot;, with no people who
really understood the physics, but with smart people who
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.
It&#039;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</description>
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<p>What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there<br />
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#8217;s fair to think of this as<br />
a kind of &#8220;average commission&#8221; in a case where few or none<br />
of its members understand the substance of the subject<br />
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-<br />
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key<br />
remit like the &#8220;Pitchblende commission&#8221;,<br />
or the &#8220;Radio-activity commission&#8221;, with no people who<br />
really understood the physics, but with smart people who<br />
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers<br />
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun<br />
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.<br />
It&#8217;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically<br />
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,<br />
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</p>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the journal website:

http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/</description>
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<p><a href="http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/" rel="nofollow">http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:

Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. 

http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:</p>
<p>Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Finally, a project worth funding&#8230; by Kevin Costa</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/10/finally-a-project-worth-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-148580</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A proposal of staggering genius.</description>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147139</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i haven&#039;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &quot;jurisdictional ecology&quot; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i haven&#8217;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &#8220;jurisdictional ecology&#8221; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by ckelty</title>
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		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#039;s recent work on &quot;interdisciplinarity.&quot;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation...  in any case, the &quot;ecology of veridiction&quot; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &quot;ecology of jurisdiction&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#8217;s recent work on &#8220;interdisciplinarity.&#8221;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation&#8230;  in any case, the &#8220;ecology of veridiction&#8221; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &#8220;ecology of jurisdiction&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). 

I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#039;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). </p>
<p>I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#8217;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</p>
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		<description>[...] will to have a criterion of judgment for our collective endeavor based on half-truths. This is “demeaning” Affect, practice and governance: Demeaned: how can we be governed like this? It prevents truth, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Health and the question of flourishing by Fearnley</title>
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		<description>From Lyle in China: 

I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but
a relation between knowledge production and interventions
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,
including both &#039;scientists&#039; and others).  In conversations with
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.

For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.
Canguilhem&#039;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish
&#039;health&#039; from the &#039;normalized population&#039;.  He refuses to grant
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely
biological one, but rather a difference between two different
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and
self-recognition.

In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean
&#039;guard life&#039;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.

In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the
health of the people.

Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#039;guarding life&#039;, might enable
a similar move as Foucault&#039;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion
of soteria, &#039;salvation, protecting life&#039;.  The difference between
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of
life, health, disease and death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Lyle in China: </p>
<p>I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I<br />
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work<br />
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What<br />
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices<br />
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean<br />
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop<br />
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but<br />
a relation between knowledge production and interventions<br />
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,<br />
including both &#8216;scientists&#8217; and others).  In conversations with<br />
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my<br />
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.</p>
<p>For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept<br />
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.<br />
Canguilhem&#8217;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish<br />
&#8216;health&#8217; from the &#8216;normalized population&#8217;.  He refuses to grant<br />
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for<br />
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does<br />
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.<br />
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to<br />
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe<br />
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a<br />
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts<br />
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every<br />
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction<br />
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely<br />
biological one, but rather a difference between two different<br />
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and<br />
self-recognition.</p>
<p>In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth<br />
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of<br />
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a<br />
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The<br />
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean<br />
&#8216;guard life&#8217;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng<br />
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or<br />
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,<br />
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.</p>
<p>In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study<br />
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan<br />
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the<br />
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health<br />
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,<br />
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the<br />
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern<br />
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions<br />
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying<br />
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the<br />
health of the people.</p>
<p>Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#8216;guarding life&#8217;, might enable<br />
a similar move as Foucault&#8217;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion<br />
of soteria, &#8216;salvation, protecting life&#8217;.  The difference between<br />
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for<br />
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of<br />
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health<br />
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of<br />
life, health, disease and death.</p>
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		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/11/the-clock-is-ticking/comment-page-1/#comment-186362</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I get for not working through these blogs....

What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#039;s fair to think of this as
a kind of &quot;average commission&quot; in a case where few or none
of its members understand the substance of the subject
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key
remit like the &quot;Pitchblende commission&quot;,
or the &quot;Radio-activity commission&quot;, with no people who
really understood the physics, but with smart people who
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.
It&#039;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</description>
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<p>What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there<br />
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#8217;s fair to think of this as<br />
a kind of &#8220;average commission&#8221; in a case where few or none<br />
of its members understand the substance of the subject<br />
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-<br />
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key<br />
remit like the &#8220;Pitchblende commission&#8221;,<br />
or the &#8220;Radio-activity commission&#8221;, with no people who<br />
really understood the physics, but with smart people who<br />
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers<br />
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun<br />
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.<br />
It&#8217;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically<br />
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,<br />
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</p>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2010/01/collaboration-2/comment-page-1/#comment-150225</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the journal website:

http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the journal website:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/" rel="nofollow">http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2010/01/collaboration-2/comment-page-1/#comment-150224</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:

Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. 

http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:</p>
<p>Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Finally, a project worth funding&#8230; by Kevin Costa</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/10/finally-a-project-worth-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-148580</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A proposal of staggering genius.</description>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147139</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i haven&#039;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &quot;jurisdictional ecology&quot; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i haven&#8217;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &#8220;jurisdictional ecology&#8221; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by ckelty</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147111</link>
		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#039;s recent work on &quot;interdisciplinarity.&quot;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation...  in any case, the &quot;ecology of veridiction&quot; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &quot;ecology of jurisdiction&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#8217;s recent work on &#8220;interdisciplinarity.&#8221;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation&#8230;  in any case, the &#8220;ecology of veridiction&#8221; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &#8220;ecology of jurisdiction&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-146560</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). 

I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#039;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). </p>
<p>I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#8217;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</p>
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		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2011/03/demean/comment-page-1/#comment-186398</link>
		<dc:creator>Worth: To Dignify &#38; Demean &#171; ARC Studio</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on Health and the question of flourishing by Fearnley</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2010/09/health-and-the-question-of-flourishing/comment-page-1/#comment-186364</link>
		<dc:creator>Fearnley</dc:creator>
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		<description>From Lyle in China: 

I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but
a relation between knowledge production and interventions
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,
including both &#039;scientists&#039; and others).  In conversations with
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.

For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.
Canguilhem&#039;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish
&#039;health&#039; from the &#039;normalized population&#039;.  He refuses to grant
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely
biological one, but rather a difference between two different
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and
self-recognition.

In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean
&#039;guard life&#039;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.

In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the
health of the people.

Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#039;guarding life&#039;, might enable
a similar move as Foucault&#039;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion
of soteria, &#039;salvation, protecting life&#039;.  The difference between
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of
life, health, disease and death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Lyle in China: </p>
<p>I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I<br />
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work<br />
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What<br />
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices<br />
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean<br />
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop<br />
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but<br />
a relation between knowledge production and interventions<br />
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,<br />
including both &#8216;scientists&#8217; and others).  In conversations with<br />
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my<br />
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.</p>
<p>For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept<br />
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.<br />
Canguilhem&#8217;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish<br />
&#8216;health&#8217; from the &#8216;normalized population&#8217;.  He refuses to grant<br />
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for<br />
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does<br />
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.<br />
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to<br />
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe<br />
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a<br />
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts<br />
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every<br />
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction<br />
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely<br />
biological one, but rather a difference between two different<br />
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and<br />
self-recognition.</p>
<p>In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth<br />
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of<br />
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a<br />
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The<br />
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean<br />
&#8216;guard life&#8217;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng<br />
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or<br />
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,<br />
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.</p>
<p>In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study<br />
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan<br />
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the<br />
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health<br />
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,<br />
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the<br />
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern<br />
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions<br />
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying<br />
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the<br />
health of the people.</p>
<p>Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#8216;guarding life&#8217;, might enable<br />
a similar move as Foucault&#8217;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion<br />
of soteria, &#8216;salvation, protecting life&#8217;.  The difference between<br />
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for<br />
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of<br />
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health<br />
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of<br />
life, health, disease and death.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8230;The Clock is Ticking by Roger Brent</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/11/the-clock-is-ticking/comment-page-1/#comment-186362</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I get for not working through these blogs....

What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#039;s fair to think of this as
a kind of &quot;average commission&quot; in a case where few or none
of its members understand the substance of the subject
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key
remit like the &quot;Pitchblende commission&quot;,
or the &quot;Radio-activity commission&quot;, with no people who
really understood the physics, but with smart people who
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.
It&#039;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</description>
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<p>What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there<br />
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#8217;s fair to think of this as<br />
a kind of &#8220;average commission&#8221; in a case where few or none<br />
of its members understand the substance of the subject<br />
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-<br />
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key<br />
remit like the &#8220;Pitchblende commission&#8221;,<br />
or the &#8220;Radio-activity commission&#8221;, with no people who<br />
really understood the physics, but with smart people who<br />
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers<br />
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun<br />
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.<br />
It&#8217;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically<br />
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,<br />
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</p>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2010/01/collaboration-2/comment-page-1/#comment-150225</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the journal website:

http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/</description>
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<p><a href="http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/" rel="nofollow">http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2010/01/collaboration-2/comment-page-1/#comment-150224</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:

Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. 

http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:</p>
<p>Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Finally, a project worth funding&#8230; by Kevin Costa</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/10/finally-a-project-worth-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-148580</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A proposal of staggering genius.</description>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147139</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i haven&#039;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &quot;jurisdictional ecology&quot; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i haven&#8217;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &#8220;jurisdictional ecology&#8221; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by ckelty</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147111</link>
		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#039;s recent work on &quot;interdisciplinarity.&quot;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation...  in any case, the &quot;ecology of veridiction&quot; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &quot;ecology of jurisdiction&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#8217;s recent work on &#8220;interdisciplinarity.&#8221;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation&#8230;  in any case, the &#8220;ecology of veridiction&#8221; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &#8220;ecology of jurisdiction&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-146560</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). 

I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#039;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). </p>
<p>I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#8217;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Paul Rabinow</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2010/09/health-and-the-question-of-flourishing/comment-page-1/#comment-186364</link>
		<dc:creator>Fearnley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Lyle in China: 

I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but
a relation between knowledge production and interventions
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,
including both &#039;scientists&#039; and others).  In conversations with
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.

For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.
Canguilhem&#039;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish
&#039;health&#039; from the &#039;normalized population&#039;.  He refuses to grant
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely
biological one, but rather a difference between two different
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and
self-recognition.

In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean
&#039;guard life&#039;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.

In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the
health of the people.

Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#039;guarding life&#039;, might enable
a similar move as Foucault&#039;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion
of soteria, &#039;salvation, protecting life&#039;.  The difference between
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of
life, health, disease and death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Lyle in China: </p>
<p>I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I<br />
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work<br />
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What<br />
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices<br />
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean<br />
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop<br />
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but<br />
a relation between knowledge production and interventions<br />
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,<br />
including both &#8216;scientists&#8217; and others).  In conversations with<br />
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my<br />
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.</p>
<p>For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept<br />
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.<br />
Canguilhem&#8217;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish<br />
&#8216;health&#8217; from the &#8216;normalized population&#8217;.  He refuses to grant<br />
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for<br />
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does<br />
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.<br />
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to<br />
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe<br />
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a<br />
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts<br />
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every<br />
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction<br />
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely<br />
biological one, but rather a difference between two different<br />
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and<br />
self-recognition.</p>
<p>In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth<br />
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of<br />
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a<br />
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The<br />
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean<br />
&#8216;guard life&#8217;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng<br />
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or<br />
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,<br />
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.</p>
<p>In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study<br />
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan<br />
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the<br />
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health<br />
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,<br />
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the<br />
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern<br />
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions<br />
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying<br />
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the<br />
health of the people.</p>
<p>Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#8216;guarding life&#8217;, might enable<br />
a similar move as Foucault&#8217;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion<br />
of soteria, &#8216;salvation, protecting life&#8217;.  The difference between<br />
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for<br />
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of<br />
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health<br />
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of<br />
life, health, disease and death.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Worth: To Dignify &#38; Demean &#171; ARC Studio</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] will to have a criterion of judgment for our collective endeavor based on half-truths. This is “demeaning” Affect, practice and governance: Demeaned: how can we be governed like this? It prevents truth, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Health and the question of flourishing by Fearnley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fearnley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Lyle in China: 

I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but
a relation between knowledge production and interventions
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,
including both &#039;scientists&#039; and others).  In conversations with
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.

For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.
Canguilhem&#039;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish
&#039;health&#039; from the &#039;normalized population&#039;.  He refuses to grant
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely
biological one, but rather a difference between two different
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and
self-recognition.

In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean
&#039;guard life&#039;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.

In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the
health of the people.

Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#039;guarding life&#039;, might enable
a similar move as Foucault&#039;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion
of soteria, &#039;salvation, protecting life&#039;.  The difference between
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of
life, health, disease and death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Lyle in China: </p>
<p>I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I<br />
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work<br />
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What<br />
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices<br />
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean<br />
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop<br />
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but<br />
a relation between knowledge production and interventions<br />
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,<br />
including both &#8216;scientists&#8217; and others).  In conversations with<br />
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my<br />
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.</p>
<p>For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept<br />
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.<br />
Canguilhem&#8217;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish<br />
&#8216;health&#8217; from the &#8216;normalized population&#8217;.  He refuses to grant<br />
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for<br />
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does<br />
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.<br />
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to<br />
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe<br />
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a<br />
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts<br />
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every<br />
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction<br />
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely<br />
biological one, but rather a difference between two different<br />
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and<br />
self-recognition.</p>
<p>In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth<br />
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of<br />
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a<br />
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The<br />
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean<br />
&#8216;guard life&#8217;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng<br />
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or<br />
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,<br />
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.</p>
<p>In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study<br />
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan<br />
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the<br />
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health<br />
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,<br />
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the<br />
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern<br />
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions<br />
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying<br />
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the<br />
health of the people.</p>
<p>Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#8216;guarding life&#8217;, might enable<br />
a similar move as Foucault&#8217;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion<br />
of soteria, &#8216;salvation, protecting life&#8217;.  The difference between<br />
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for<br />
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of<br />
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health<br />
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of<br />
life, health, disease and death.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8230;The Clock is Ticking by Roger Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I get for not working through these blogs....

What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#039;s fair to think of this as
a kind of &quot;average commission&quot; in a case where few or none
of its members understand the substance of the subject
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key
remit like the &quot;Pitchblende commission&quot;,
or the &quot;Radio-activity commission&quot;, with no people who
really understood the physics, but with smart people who
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.
It&#039;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</description>
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<p>What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there<br />
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#8217;s fair to think of this as<br />
a kind of &#8220;average commission&#8221; in a case where few or none<br />
of its members understand the substance of the subject<br />
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-<br />
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key<br />
remit like the &#8220;Pitchblende commission&#8221;,<br />
or the &#8220;Radio-activity commission&#8221;, with no people who<br />
really understood the physics, but with smart people who<br />
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers<br />
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun<br />
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.<br />
It&#8217;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically<br />
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,<br />
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</p>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2010/01/collaboration-2/comment-page-1/#comment-150225</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the journal website:

http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/</description>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:

Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. 

http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:</p>
<p>Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Finally, a project worth funding&#8230; by Kevin Costa</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/10/finally-a-project-worth-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-148580</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A proposal of staggering genius.</description>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147139</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i haven&#039;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &quot;jurisdictional ecology&quot; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i haven&#8217;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &#8220;jurisdictional ecology&#8221; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by ckelty</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147111</link>
		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#039;s recent work on &quot;interdisciplinarity.&quot;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation...  in any case, the &quot;ecology of veridiction&quot; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &quot;ecology of jurisdiction&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#8217;s recent work on &#8220;interdisciplinarity.&#8221;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation&#8230;  in any case, the &#8220;ecology of veridiction&#8221; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &#8220;ecology of jurisdiction&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-146560</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). 

I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#039;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). </p>
<p>I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#8217;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Paul Rabinow</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/11/the-clock-is-ticking/comment-page-1/#comment-186362</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I get for not working through these blogs....

What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#039;s fair to think of this as
a kind of &quot;average commission&quot; in a case where few or none
of its members understand the substance of the subject
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key
remit like the &quot;Pitchblende commission&quot;,
or the &quot;Radio-activity commission&quot;, with no people who
really understood the physics, but with smart people who
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.
It&#039;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I get for not working through these blogs&#8230;.</p>
<p>What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there<br />
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#8217;s fair to think of this as<br />
a kind of &#8220;average commission&#8221; in a case where few or none<br />
of its members understand the substance of the subject<br />
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-<br />
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key<br />
remit like the &#8220;Pitchblende commission&#8221;,<br />
or the &#8220;Radio-activity commission&#8221;, with no people who<br />
really understood the physics, but with smart people who<br />
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers<br />
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun<br />
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.<br />
It&#8217;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically<br />
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,<br />
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</p>
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		<dc:creator>Worth: To Dignify &#38; Demean &#171; ARC Studio</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] will to have a criterion of judgment for our collective endeavor based on half-truths. This is “demeaning” Affect, practice and governance: Demeaned: how can we be governed like this? It prevents truth, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Health and the question of flourishing by Fearnley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fearnley</dc:creator>
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		<description>From Lyle in China: 

I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but
a relation between knowledge production and interventions
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,
including both &#039;scientists&#039; and others).  In conversations with
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.

For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.
Canguilhem&#039;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish
&#039;health&#039; from the &#039;normalized population&#039;.  He refuses to grant
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely
biological one, but rather a difference between two different
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and
self-recognition.

In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean
&#039;guard life&#039;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.

In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the
health of the people.

Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#039;guarding life&#039;, might enable
a similar move as Foucault&#039;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion
of soteria, &#039;salvation, protecting life&#039;.  The difference between
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of
life, health, disease and death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Lyle in China: </p>
<p>I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I<br />
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work<br />
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What<br />
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices<br />
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean<br />
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop<br />
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but<br />
a relation between knowledge production and interventions<br />
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,<br />
including both &#8216;scientists&#8217; and others).  In conversations with<br />
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my<br />
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.</p>
<p>For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept<br />
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.<br />
Canguilhem&#8217;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish<br />
&#8216;health&#8217; from the &#8216;normalized population&#8217;.  He refuses to grant<br />
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for<br />
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does<br />
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.<br />
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to<br />
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe<br />
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a<br />
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts<br />
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every<br />
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction<br />
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely<br />
biological one, but rather a difference between two different<br />
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and<br />
self-recognition.</p>
<p>In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth<br />
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of<br />
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a<br />
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The<br />
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean<br />
&#8216;guard life&#8217;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng<br />
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or<br />
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,<br />
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.</p>
<p>In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study<br />
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan<br />
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the<br />
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health<br />
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,<br />
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the<br />
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern<br />
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions<br />
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying<br />
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the<br />
health of the people.</p>
<p>Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#8216;guarding life&#8217;, might enable<br />
a similar move as Foucault&#8217;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion<br />
of soteria, &#8216;salvation, protecting life&#8217;.  The difference between<br />
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for<br />
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of<br />
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health<br />
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of<br />
life, health, disease and death.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8230;The Clock is Ticking by Roger Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I get for not working through these blogs....

What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#039;s fair to think of this as
a kind of &quot;average commission&quot; in a case where few or none
of its members understand the substance of the subject
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key
remit like the &quot;Pitchblende commission&quot;,
or the &quot;Radio-activity commission&quot;, with no people who
really understood the physics, but with smart people who
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.
It&#039;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</description>
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<p>What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there<br />
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#8217;s fair to think of this as<br />
a kind of &#8220;average commission&#8221; in a case where few or none<br />
of its members understand the substance of the subject<br />
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-<br />
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key<br />
remit like the &#8220;Pitchblende commission&#8221;,<br />
or the &#8220;Radio-activity commission&#8221;, with no people who<br />
really understood the physics, but with smart people who<br />
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers<br />
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun<br />
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.<br />
It&#8217;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically<br />
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,<br />
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</p>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the journal website:

http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/</description>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:

Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. 

http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:</p>
<p>Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Finally, a project worth funding&#8230; by Kevin Costa</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/10/finally-a-project-worth-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-148580</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A proposal of staggering genius.</description>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147139</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i haven&#039;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &quot;jurisdictional ecology&quot; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i haven&#8217;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &#8220;jurisdictional ecology&#8221; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by ckelty</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147111</link>
		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#039;s recent work on &quot;interdisciplinarity.&quot;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation...  in any case, the &quot;ecology of veridiction&quot; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &quot;ecology of jurisdiction&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#8217;s recent work on &#8220;interdisciplinarity.&#8221;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation&#8230;  in any case, the &#8220;ecology of veridiction&#8221; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &#8220;ecology of jurisdiction&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-146560</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). 

I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#039;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). </p>
<p>I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#8217;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Paul Rabinow</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2010/01/collaboration-2/comment-page-1/#comment-150225</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the journal website:

http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/</description>
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		<dc:creator>Worth: To Dignify &#38; Demean &#171; ARC Studio</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] will to have a criterion of judgment for our collective endeavor based on half-truths. This is “demeaning” Affect, practice and governance: Demeaned: how can we be governed like this? It prevents truth, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Health and the question of flourishing by Fearnley</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2010/09/health-and-the-question-of-flourishing/comment-page-1/#comment-186364</link>
		<dc:creator>Fearnley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Lyle in China: 

I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but
a relation between knowledge production and interventions
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,
including both &#039;scientists&#039; and others).  In conversations with
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.

For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.
Canguilhem&#039;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish
&#039;health&#039; from the &#039;normalized population&#039;.  He refuses to grant
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely
biological one, but rather a difference between two different
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and
self-recognition.

In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean
&#039;guard life&#039;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.

In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the
health of the people.

Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#039;guarding life&#039;, might enable
a similar move as Foucault&#039;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion
of soteria, &#039;salvation, protecting life&#039;.  The difference between
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of
life, health, disease and death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Lyle in China: </p>
<p>I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I<br />
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work<br />
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What<br />
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices<br />
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean<br />
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop<br />
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but<br />
a relation between knowledge production and interventions<br />
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,<br />
including both &#8216;scientists&#8217; and others).  In conversations with<br />
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my<br />
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.</p>
<p>For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept<br />
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.<br />
Canguilhem&#8217;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish<br />
&#8216;health&#8217; from the &#8216;normalized population&#8217;.  He refuses to grant<br />
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for<br />
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does<br />
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.<br />
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to<br />
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe<br />
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a<br />
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts<br />
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every<br />
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction<br />
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely<br />
biological one, but rather a difference between two different<br />
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and<br />
self-recognition.</p>
<p>In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth<br />
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of<br />
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a<br />
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The<br />
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean<br />
&#8216;guard life&#8217;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng<br />
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or<br />
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,<br />
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.</p>
<p>In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study<br />
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan<br />
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the<br />
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health<br />
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,<br />
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the<br />
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern<br />
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions<br />
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying<br />
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the<br />
health of the people.</p>
<p>Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#8216;guarding life&#8217;, might enable<br />
a similar move as Foucault&#8217;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion<br />
of soteria, &#8216;salvation, protecting life&#8217;.  The difference between<br />
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for<br />
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of<br />
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health<br />
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of<br />
life, health, disease and death.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8230;The Clock is Ticking by Roger Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I get for not working through these blogs....

What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#039;s fair to think of this as
a kind of &quot;average commission&quot; in a case where few or none
of its members understand the substance of the subject
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key
remit like the &quot;Pitchblende commission&quot;,
or the &quot;Radio-activity commission&quot;, with no people who
really understood the physics, but with smart people who
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.
It&#039;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</description>
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<p>What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there<br />
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#8217;s fair to think of this as<br />
a kind of &#8220;average commission&#8221; in a case where few or none<br />
of its members understand the substance of the subject<br />
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-<br />
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key<br />
remit like the &#8220;Pitchblende commission&#8221;,<br />
or the &#8220;Radio-activity commission&#8221;, with no people who<br />
really understood the physics, but with smart people who<br />
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers<br />
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun<br />
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.<br />
It&#8217;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically<br />
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,<br />
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</p>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the journal website:

http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/</description>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:

Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. 

http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:</p>
<p>Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Finally, a project worth funding&#8230; by Kevin Costa</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/10/finally-a-project-worth-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-148580</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Costa</dc:creator>
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		<description>A proposal of staggering genius.</description>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i haven&#039;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &quot;jurisdictional ecology&quot; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i haven&#8217;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &#8220;jurisdictional ecology&#8221; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by ckelty</title>
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		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#039;s recent work on &quot;interdisciplinarity.&quot;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation...  in any case, the &quot;ecology of veridiction&quot; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &quot;ecology of jurisdiction&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#8217;s recent work on &#8220;interdisciplinarity.&#8221;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation&#8230;  in any case, the &#8220;ecology of veridiction&#8221; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &#8220;ecology of jurisdiction&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). 

I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#039;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). </p>
<p>I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#8217;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</p>
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		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2010/01/collaboration-2/comment-page-1/#comment-150224</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:

Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. 

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		<dc:creator>Worth: To Dignify &#38; Demean &#171; ARC Studio</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] will to have a criterion of judgment for our collective endeavor based on half-truths. This is “demeaning” Affect, practice and governance: Demeaned: how can we be governed like this? It prevents truth, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Health and the question of flourishing by Fearnley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fearnley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Lyle in China: 

I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but
a relation between knowledge production and interventions
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,
including both &#039;scientists&#039; and others).  In conversations with
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.

For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.
Canguilhem&#039;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish
&#039;health&#039; from the &#039;normalized population&#039;.  He refuses to grant
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely
biological one, but rather a difference between two different
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and
self-recognition.

In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean
&#039;guard life&#039;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.

In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the
health of the people.

Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#039;guarding life&#039;, might enable
a similar move as Foucault&#039;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion
of soteria, &#039;salvation, protecting life&#039;.  The difference between
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of
life, health, disease and death.</description>
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<p>I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I<br />
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work<br />
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What<br />
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices<br />
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean<br />
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop<br />
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but<br />
a relation between knowledge production and interventions<br />
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,<br />
including both &#8216;scientists&#8217; and others).  In conversations with<br />
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my<br />
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.</p>
<p>For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept<br />
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.<br />
Canguilhem&#8217;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish<br />
&#8216;health&#8217; from the &#8216;normalized population&#8217;.  He refuses to grant<br />
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for<br />
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does<br />
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.<br />
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to<br />
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe<br />
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a<br />
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts<br />
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every<br />
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction<br />
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely<br />
biological one, but rather a difference between two different<br />
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and<br />
self-recognition.</p>
<p>In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth<br />
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of<br />
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a<br />
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The<br />
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean<br />
&#8216;guard life&#8217;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng<br />
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or<br />
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,<br />
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.</p>
<p>In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study<br />
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan<br />
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the<br />
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health<br />
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,<br />
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the<br />
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern<br />
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions<br />
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying<br />
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the<br />
health of the people.</p>
<p>Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#8216;guarding life&#8217;, might enable<br />
a similar move as Foucault&#8217;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion<br />
of soteria, &#8216;salvation, protecting life&#8217;.  The difference between<br />
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for<br />
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of<br />
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health<br />
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of<br />
life, health, disease and death.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8230;The Clock is Ticking by Roger Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I get for not working through these blogs....

What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#039;s fair to think of this as
a kind of &quot;average commission&quot; in a case where few or none
of its members understand the substance of the subject
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key
remit like the &quot;Pitchblende commission&quot;,
or the &quot;Radio-activity commission&quot;, with no people who
really understood the physics, but with smart people who
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.
It&#039;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</description>
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<p>What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there<br />
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#8217;s fair to think of this as<br />
a kind of &#8220;average commission&#8221; in a case where few or none<br />
of its members understand the substance of the subject<br />
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-<br />
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key<br />
remit like the &#8220;Pitchblende commission&#8221;,<br />
or the &#8220;Radio-activity commission&#8221;, with no people who<br />
really understood the physics, but with smart people who<br />
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers<br />
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun<br />
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.<br />
It&#8217;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically<br />
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,<br />
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</p>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the journal website:

http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/</description>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:

Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. 

http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</description>
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<p>Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. </p>
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		<title>Comment on Finally, a project worth funding&#8230; by Kevin Costa</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/10/finally-a-project-worth-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-148580</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A proposal of staggering genius.</description>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147139</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i haven&#039;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &quot;jurisdictional ecology&quot; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i haven&#8217;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &#8220;jurisdictional ecology&#8221; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by ckelty</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147111</link>
		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#039;s recent work on &quot;interdisciplinarity.&quot;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation...  in any case, the &quot;ecology of veridiction&quot; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &quot;ecology of jurisdiction&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#8217;s recent work on &#8220;interdisciplinarity.&#8221;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation&#8230;  in any case, the &#8220;ecology of veridiction&#8221; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &#8220;ecology of jurisdiction&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). 

I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#039;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). </p>
<p>I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#8217;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Paul Rabinow</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/10/finally-a-project-worth-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-148580</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A proposal of staggering genius.</description>
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		<dc:creator>Worth: To Dignify &#38; Demean &#171; ARC Studio</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] will to have a criterion of judgment for our collective endeavor based on half-truths. This is “demeaning” Affect, practice and governance: Demeaned: how can we be governed like this? It prevents truth, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Health and the question of flourishing by Fearnley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fearnley</dc:creator>
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		<description>From Lyle in China: 

I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but
a relation between knowledge production and interventions
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,
including both &#039;scientists&#039; and others).  In conversations with
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.

For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.
Canguilhem&#039;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish
&#039;health&#039; from the &#039;normalized population&#039;.  He refuses to grant
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely
biological one, but rather a difference between two different
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and
self-recognition.

In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean
&#039;guard life&#039;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.

In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the
health of the people.

Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#039;guarding life&#039;, might enable
a similar move as Foucault&#039;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion
of soteria, &#039;salvation, protecting life&#039;.  The difference between
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of
life, health, disease and death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Lyle in China: </p>
<p>I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I<br />
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work<br />
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What<br />
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices<br />
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean<br />
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop<br />
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but<br />
a relation between knowledge production and interventions<br />
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,<br />
including both &#8216;scientists&#8217; and others).  In conversations with<br />
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my<br />
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.</p>
<p>For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept<br />
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.<br />
Canguilhem&#8217;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish<br />
&#8216;health&#8217; from the &#8216;normalized population&#8217;.  He refuses to grant<br />
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for<br />
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does<br />
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.<br />
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to<br />
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe<br />
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a<br />
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts<br />
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every<br />
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction<br />
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely<br />
biological one, but rather a difference between two different<br />
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and<br />
self-recognition.</p>
<p>In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth<br />
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of<br />
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a<br />
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The<br />
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean<br />
&#8216;guard life&#8217;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng<br />
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or<br />
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,<br />
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.</p>
<p>In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study<br />
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan<br />
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the<br />
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health<br />
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,<br />
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the<br />
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern<br />
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions<br />
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying<br />
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the<br />
health of the people.</p>
<p>Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#8216;guarding life&#8217;, might enable<br />
a similar move as Foucault&#8217;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion<br />
of soteria, &#8216;salvation, protecting life&#8217;.  The difference between<br />
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for<br />
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of<br />
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health<br />
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of<br />
life, health, disease and death.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8230;The Clock is Ticking by Roger Brent</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/11/the-clock-is-ticking/comment-page-1/#comment-186362</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I get for not working through these blogs....

What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#039;s fair to think of this as
a kind of &quot;average commission&quot; in a case where few or none
of its members understand the substance of the subject
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key
remit like the &quot;Pitchblende commission&quot;,
or the &quot;Radio-activity commission&quot;, with no people who
really understood the physics, but with smart people who
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.
It&#039;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</description>
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<p>What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there<br />
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#8217;s fair to think of this as<br />
a kind of &#8220;average commission&#8221; in a case where few or none<br />
of its members understand the substance of the subject<br />
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-<br />
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key<br />
remit like the &#8220;Pitchblende commission&#8221;,<br />
or the &#8220;Radio-activity commission&#8221;, with no people who<br />
really understood the physics, but with smart people who<br />
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers<br />
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun<br />
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.<br />
It&#8217;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically<br />
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,<br />
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</p>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2010/01/collaboration-2/comment-page-1/#comment-150225</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the journal website:

http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/</description>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:

Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. 

http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</description>
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<p>Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Finally, a project worth funding&#8230; by Kevin Costa</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/10/finally-a-project-worth-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-148580</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A proposal of staggering genius.</description>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147139</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i haven&#039;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &quot;jurisdictional ecology&quot; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i haven&#8217;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &#8220;jurisdictional ecology&#8221; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by ckelty</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147111</link>
		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#039;s recent work on &quot;interdisciplinarity.&quot;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation...  in any case, the &quot;ecology of veridiction&quot; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &quot;ecology of jurisdiction&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#8217;s recent work on &#8220;interdisciplinarity.&#8221;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation&#8230;  in any case, the &#8220;ecology of veridiction&#8221; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &#8220;ecology of jurisdiction&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-146560</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). 

I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#039;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). </p>
<p>I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#8217;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Paul Rabinow</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147139</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i haven&#039;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &quot;jurisdictional ecology&quot; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about $3 a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i haven&#8217;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &#8220;jurisdictional ecology&#8221; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about $3 a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demean by Worth: To Dignify &#38; Demean &#171; ARC Studio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Worth: To Dignify &#38; Demean &#171; ARC Studio</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] will to have a criterion of judgment for our collective endeavor based on half-truths. This is “demeaning” Affect, practice and governance: Demeaned: how can we be governed like this? It prevents truth, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Health and the question of flourishing by Fearnley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fearnley</dc:creator>
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		<description>From Lyle in China: 

I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but
a relation between knowledge production and interventions
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,
including both &#039;scientists&#039; and others).  In conversations with
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.

For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.
Canguilhem&#039;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish
&#039;health&#039; from the &#039;normalized population&#039;.  He refuses to grant
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely
biological one, but rather a difference between two different
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and
self-recognition.

In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean
&#039;guard life&#039;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.

In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the
health of the people.

Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#039;guarding life&#039;, might enable
a similar move as Foucault&#039;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion
of soteria, &#039;salvation, protecting life&#039;.  The difference between
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of
life, health, disease and death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Lyle in China: </p>
<p>I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I<br />
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work<br />
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What<br />
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices<br />
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean<br />
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop<br />
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but<br />
a relation between knowledge production and interventions<br />
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,<br />
including both &#8216;scientists&#8217; and others).  In conversations with<br />
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my<br />
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.</p>
<p>For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept<br />
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.<br />
Canguilhem&#8217;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish<br />
&#8216;health&#8217; from the &#8216;normalized population&#8217;.  He refuses to grant<br />
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for<br />
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does<br />
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.<br />
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to<br />
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe<br />
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a<br />
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts<br />
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every<br />
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction<br />
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely<br />
biological one, but rather a difference between two different<br />
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and<br />
self-recognition.</p>
<p>In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth<br />
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of<br />
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a<br />
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The<br />
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean<br />
&#8216;guard life&#8217;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng<br />
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or<br />
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,<br />
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.</p>
<p>In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study<br />
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan<br />
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the<br />
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health<br />
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,<br />
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the<br />
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern<br />
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions<br />
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying<br />
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the<br />
health of the people.</p>
<p>Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#8216;guarding life&#8217;, might enable<br />
a similar move as Foucault&#8217;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion<br />
of soteria, &#8216;salvation, protecting life&#8217;.  The difference between<br />
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for<br />
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of<br />
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health<br />
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of<br />
life, health, disease and death.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8230;The Clock is Ticking by Roger Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I get for not working through these blogs....

What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#039;s fair to think of this as
a kind of &quot;average commission&quot; in a case where few or none
of its members understand the substance of the subject
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key
remit like the &quot;Pitchblende commission&quot;,
or the &quot;Radio-activity commission&quot;, with no people who
really understood the physics, but with smart people who
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.
It&#039;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</description>
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<p>What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there<br />
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#8217;s fair to think of this as<br />
a kind of &#8220;average commission&#8221; in a case where few or none<br />
of its members understand the substance of the subject<br />
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-<br />
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key<br />
remit like the &#8220;Pitchblende commission&#8221;,<br />
or the &#8220;Radio-activity commission&#8221;, with no people who<br />
really understood the physics, but with smart people who<br />
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers<br />
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun<br />
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.<br />
It&#8217;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically<br />
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,<br />
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</p>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2010/01/collaboration-2/comment-page-1/#comment-150225</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the journal website:

http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/</description>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:

Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. 

http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:</p>
<p>Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Finally, a project worth funding&#8230; by Kevin Costa</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/10/finally-a-project-worth-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-148580</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A proposal of staggering genius.</description>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147139</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i haven&#039;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &quot;jurisdictional ecology&quot; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i haven&#8217;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &#8220;jurisdictional ecology&#8221; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by ckelty</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147111</link>
		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#039;s recent work on &quot;interdisciplinarity.&quot;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation...  in any case, the &quot;ecology of veridiction&quot; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &quot;ecology of jurisdiction&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#8217;s recent work on &#8220;interdisciplinarity.&#8221;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation&#8230;  in any case, the &#8220;ecology of veridiction&#8221; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &#8220;ecology of jurisdiction&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). 

I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#039;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). </p>
<p>I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#8217;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Paul Rabinow</title>
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		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#039;s recent work on &quot;interdisciplinarity.&quot;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation...  in any case, the &quot;ecology of veridiction&quot; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &quot;ecology of jurisdiction&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#8217;s recent work on &#8220;interdisciplinarity.&#8221;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation&#8230;  in any case, the &#8220;ecology of veridiction&#8221; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &#8220;ecology of jurisdiction&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demean by Worth: To Dignify &#38; Demean &#171; ARC Studio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Worth: To Dignify &#38; Demean &#171; ARC Studio</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on Health and the question of flourishing by Fearnley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fearnley</dc:creator>
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		<description>From Lyle in China: 

I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but
a relation between knowledge production and interventions
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,
including both &#039;scientists&#039; and others).  In conversations with
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.

For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.
Canguilhem&#039;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish
&#039;health&#039; from the &#039;normalized population&#039;.  He refuses to grant
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely
biological one, but rather a difference between two different
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and
self-recognition.

In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean
&#039;guard life&#039;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.

In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the
health of the people.

Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#039;guarding life&#039;, might enable
a similar move as Foucault&#039;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion
of soteria, &#039;salvation, protecting life&#039;.  The difference between
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Lyle in China: </p>
<p>I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I<br />
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work<br />
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What<br />
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices<br />
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean<br />
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop<br />
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but<br />
a relation between knowledge production and interventions<br />
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,<br />
including both &#8216;scientists&#8217; and others).  In conversations with<br />
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my<br />
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.</p>
<p>For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept<br />
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.<br />
Canguilhem&#8217;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish<br />
&#8216;health&#8217; from the &#8216;normalized population&#8217;.  He refuses to grant<br />
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for<br />
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does<br />
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.<br />
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to<br />
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe<br />
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a<br />
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts<br />
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every<br />
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction<br />
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely<br />
biological one, but rather a difference between two different<br />
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and<br />
self-recognition.</p>
<p>In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth<br />
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of<br />
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a<br />
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The<br />
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean<br />
&#8216;guard life&#8217;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng<br />
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or<br />
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,<br />
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.</p>
<p>In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study<br />
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan<br />
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the<br />
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health<br />
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,<br />
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the<br />
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern<br />
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions<br />
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying<br />
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the<br />
health of the people.</p>
<p>Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#8216;guarding life&#8217;, might enable<br />
a similar move as Foucault&#8217;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion<br />
of soteria, &#8216;salvation, protecting life&#8217;.  The difference between<br />
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for<br />
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of<br />
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health<br />
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of<br />
life, health, disease and death.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8230;The Clock is Ticking by Roger Brent</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/11/the-clock-is-ticking/comment-page-1/#comment-186362</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I get for not working through these blogs....

What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#039;s fair to think of this as
a kind of &quot;average commission&quot; in a case where few or none
of its members understand the substance of the subject
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key
remit like the &quot;Pitchblende commission&quot;,
or the &quot;Radio-activity commission&quot;, with no people who
really understood the physics, but with smart people who
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.
It&#039;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</description>
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<p>What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there<br />
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#8217;s fair to think of this as<br />
a kind of &#8220;average commission&#8221; in a case where few or none<br />
of its members understand the substance of the subject<br />
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-<br />
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key<br />
remit like the &#8220;Pitchblende commission&#8221;,<br />
or the &#8220;Radio-activity commission&#8221;, with no people who<br />
really understood the physics, but with smart people who<br />
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers<br />
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun<br />
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.<br />
It&#8217;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically<br />
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,<br />
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</p>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2010/01/collaboration-2/comment-page-1/#comment-150225</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the journal website:

http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/</description>
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<p><a href="http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/" rel="nofollow">http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2010/01/collaboration-2/comment-page-1/#comment-150224</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:

Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. 

http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:</p>
<p>Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Finally, a project worth funding&#8230; by Kevin Costa</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/10/finally-a-project-worth-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-148580</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A proposal of staggering genius.</description>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147139</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i haven&#039;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &quot;jurisdictional ecology&quot; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i haven&#8217;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &#8220;jurisdictional ecology&#8221; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by ckelty</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147111</link>
		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#039;s recent work on &quot;interdisciplinarity.&quot;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation...  in any case, the &quot;ecology of veridiction&quot; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &quot;ecology of jurisdiction&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#8217;s recent work on &#8220;interdisciplinarity.&#8221;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation&#8230;  in any case, the &#8220;ecology of veridiction&#8221; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &#8220;ecology of jurisdiction&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-146560</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). 

I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#039;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). </p>
<p>I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#8217;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Paul Rabinow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). 

I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#039;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</description>
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<p>I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#8217;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demean by Worth: To Dignify &#38; Demean &#171; ARC Studio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Worth: To Dignify &#38; Demean &#171; ARC Studio</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] will to have a criterion of judgment for our collective endeavor based on half-truths. This is “demeaning” Affect, practice and governance: Demeaned: how can we be governed like this? It prevents truth, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Health and the question of flourishing by Fearnley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fearnley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Lyle in China: 

I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but
a relation between knowledge production and interventions
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,
including both &#039;scientists&#039; and others).  In conversations with
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.

For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.
Canguilhem&#039;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish
&#039;health&#039; from the &#039;normalized population&#039;.  He refuses to grant
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely
biological one, but rather a difference between two different
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and
self-recognition.

In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean
&#039;guard life&#039;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.

In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the
health of the people.

Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#039;guarding life&#039;, might enable
a similar move as Foucault&#039;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion
of soteria, &#039;salvation, protecting life&#039;.  The difference between
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of
life, health, disease and death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Lyle in China: </p>
<p>I have been pondering over this post for a couple of weeks now.  I<br />
find the questions posed particularly provocative for me since my work<br />
takes place in a domain ostensibly devoted to “public health”.  What<br />
would it mean to think about “the good” within epidemiologic practices<br />
beyond the metric of “health”?  (By epidemiologic practices, I mean<br />
much more than the discipline of epidemiology.  I am trying to develop<br />
a concept of a coherent field that is not a scientific discipline, but<br />
a relation between knowledge production and interventions<br />
into/alterations of norms of life around the problem of epidemics,<br />
including both &#8216;scientists&#8217; and others).  In conversations with<br />
scientists working in the field, I am constantly asked to justify my<br />
own anthropological work in terms of a contribution to health.</p>
<p>For me, a necessary place to start is with health itself, a concept<br />
the meaning, value and norms of which are not self evident.<br />
Canguilhem&#8217;s writing on health, normality, and pathology distinguish<br />
&#8216;health&#8217; from the &#8216;normalized population&#8217;.  He refuses to grant<br />
validity to the population-based statistical norm as a means for<br />
determining whether or not an individual has disease.  Yet “this does<br />
not mean that for a given individual the distinction is not absolute.<br />
When an individual begins to feel sick, to call himself sick, to<br />
comport himself as a sick man, he has passed into a different universe<br />
and become a different man” (130).  Illness, in this sense, is a<br />
“subjective universal”: though what counts as health and what counts<br />
as disease are variable and difficult to determine, within every<br />
individual there is a definite and absolute temporal distinction<br />
between health and disease.  This distinction is not a purely<br />
biological one, but rather a difference between two different<br />
universes, two different men, two ways of comportment and<br />
self-recognition.</p>
<p>In China, the word for public health is gonggongweisheng.  Ruth<br />
Rogaski, a historian, has written a very good book about the rise of<br />
modern public health in China.  She argues that this rise turns on a<br />
pivotal change in the concept attached to the term weisheng.  The<br />
characters of weisheng (卫生), taken independently and literally, mean<br />
&#8216;guard life&#8217;.  Rogaski writes that before the modern period, weisheng<br />
referred to a set of longstanding Taoist practices of preserving or<br />
enhancing life.  These practices  included certain kinds of exercises,<br />
foods to be eaten and foods proscribed, ways of breathing, etc.</p>
<p>In the nineteenth century, Japan sent emissaries to Europe to study<br />
modern state government.  These emissaries returned to Japan<br />
particularly impressed by German state hygiene methods.  They used the<br />
Chinese characters 卫生 (in Japanese, eisei) to name the state health<br />
system modeled on German hygiene.  According to Rogaski, the concept,<br />
as well as the methods and practices, were brought to China during the<br />
Japanese occupation of port cities.  Rogaski argues that modern<br />
Chinese weisheng involves norms of hygiene and mass interventions<br />
(public toilets, sewers, vaccinations, removal of disease-carrying<br />
vectors or dangerous environments) with the objective of improving the<br />
health of the people.</p>
<p>Perhaps weisheng, in the Taoist sense of &#8216;guarding life&#8217;, might enable<br />
a similar move as Foucault&#8217;s turn to the “culture of the self” notion<br />
of soteria, &#8216;salvation, protecting life&#8217;.  The difference between<br />
these two concepts of weisheng can be a useful orienting device for<br />
examining epidemiologic practices beyond the modern metric of<br />
population health.  As with Canguilhem, it does not ignore health<br />
completely, but proposes a different way of looking at the nature of<br />
life, health, disease and death.</p>
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		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/11/the-clock-is-ticking/comment-page-1/#comment-186362</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I get for not working through these blogs....

What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#039;s fair to think of this as
a kind of &quot;average commission&quot; in a case where few or none
of its members understand the substance of the subject
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key
remit like the &quot;Pitchblende commission&quot;,
or the &quot;Radio-activity commission&quot;, with no people who
really understood the physics, but with smart people who
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.
It&#039;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I get for not working through these blogs&#8230;.</p>
<p>What you write contains embedded good questions, for which there<br />
are some incomplete answers.  Overall, it&#8217;s fair to think of this as<br />
a kind of &#8220;average commission&#8221; in a case where few or none<br />
of its members understand the substance of the subject<br />
manner.  Imagine an analogous commission in a Hiroshima-<br />
free, WWII free, world, with some slightly off-key<br />
remit like the &#8220;Pitchblende commission&#8221;,<br />
or the &#8220;Radio-activity commission&#8221;, with no people who<br />
really understood the physics, but with smart people who<br />
understood the Kellog-Bryand pact, and with some engineers<br />
who had pioneered the development of the 16 inch gun<br />
for battleships for technical briefings, and you are closer.<br />
It&#8217;s not clear to me how one does better in a technically<br />
sophisticated space where things really are moving fast,<br />
either.  More offline.  27 September 2010</p>
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		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2010/01/collaboration-2/comment-page-1/#comment-150225</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the journal website:

http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the journal website:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/" rel="nofollow">http://www.marshall.edu/coll-anth/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Collaboration by Carlo</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2010/01/collaboration-2/comment-page-1/#comment-150224</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:

Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. 

http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Anthropology Journal on Collaboration:</p>
<p>Collaborative Anthropologies is a forum for dialogue with a special focus on the complex collaborations between and among researchers and research participants/interlocutors. It features essays that are descriptive as well as analytical, from all subfields of anthropology and closely related disciplines, and that present a diversity of perspectives on collaborative research. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Collaborative-Anthropologies,673970.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Finally, a project worth funding&#8230; by Kevin Costa</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/10/finally-a-project-worth-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-148580</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A proposal of staggering genius.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A proposal of staggering genius.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147139</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i haven&#039;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &quot;jurisdictional ecology&quot; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i haven&#8217;t got firm data on this yet, but it seems that it is exactly this &#8220;jurisdictional ecology&#8221; that determines how the array of metrics are coupled. There was a lunchtime seminar where the environment and human behavior came up as a topic. One argument on the table was  the following;;  if you want people to do something “better” for the environment, “education” is not enough. If you want people to recycle or use less packaging you have to couple one desired outcome, like protection of the environment to another ‘which has a more powerful effect on behavior’, namely price. This example is appropriate in Switzerland where you can only throw away your trash in special bags, which cost about  a bag. In a follow up conversation, the point is reiterated analogically “think about it with a themodynamic analogy; you need to couple a thermodynamically unfavourable reaction, with a thermodynamically favourable one”. Of course the one limitation of this analogy is that there is a metric, delta G (if my crash course in enzyme kinetics stands up to scrutiny)that is used for two reactions/practices. The more complicated dimension of the “ecology of jurisidiction/veridiction” is that there will be jurisdictional practices which couple multiple metrics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by ckelty</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-147111</link>
		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#039;s recent work on &quot;interdisciplinarity.&quot;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation...  in any case, the &quot;ecology of veridiction&quot; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &quot;ecology of jurisdiction&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a discussion in Spain with my host, Alberto Corsin, about a related issue, which came about through talking about Strathern, Born and Barry&#8217;s recent work on &#8220;interdisciplinarity.&#8221;  The crux of the discussion was the question of whether different forms of what counts as innovation (and by extention, what counts as curiosity) are related to the institutional and intellectual bildung of those doing the investigating.  Yes, obviously, but precisely how:  and if, for instance, amateur scientists start to compete with each other to invent new logic gates using e. coli, are the modes of veridiction invented there recognizable to university or corporate scientists.  I think I was going to blog about that conversation&#8230;  in any case, the &#8220;ecology of veridiction&#8221; strikes me as exactly the right way to pose the problem, so long as we can agree (in ecological terms) what the resources are and how to think about ecological equilibrium or dis-equilibrium.  Or, is there an attendant &#8220;ecology of jurisdiction&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Anthony</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-146560</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). 

I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#039;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An additional element is the “stylization” point that has been made previously by others viz ‘hacker culture’. “Cool” has perhaps outmoded curiosity, and from Beowulf (or Yukio Mishima) to 50s cool jazz we could say that the affects referred to by this term are dispassion, assurance, excitement and something like ‘trend’ (why are so many biologists making logic gates?, for instance). </p>
<p>I think that whilst it is true that scientists have to respond to these other rationalities and arbitrate, anxiously or otherwise, between them, an additional point is that they don&#8217;t necessarily know what has scientific significance outside of these self-stylizations, or outside a metric of utiltiy. Perhaps this is where the angst comes from?</p>
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		<title>Comment on what are the veridictional modes of advertising? by Paul Rabinow</title>
		<link>http://anthropos-lab.net/bio-nano/2009/07/what-are-the-veridictional-modes-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-146530</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Rabinow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, thanks for the comment.
I think we need to explore some more what the limits and forms of &quot;their own curiosity&quot; are today, As funding and competition more and more shape things, and as Shapin points out, science is more and more a job rather than a vocation we can&#039;t assume that the Blumenberg curiosity is still central.
That being said, there are distinctive forms of work and commitment. What are they? And what does it do to have to constantly be aware from an early point that the constraints are real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, thanks for the comment.<br />
I think we need to explore some more what the limits and forms of &#8220;their own curiosity&#8221; are today, As funding and competition more and more shape things, and as Shapin points out, science is more and more a job rather than a vocation we can&#8217;t assume that the Blumenberg curiosity is still central.<br />
That being said, there are distinctive forms of work and commitment. What are they? And what does it do to have to constantly be aware from an early point that the constraints are real.</p>
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